30 Jun
Alex: Welcome to The Shape of Reason, a ground-breaking… okay, perhaps not ground-breaking, but certainly outspoken and vastly outnumbered little anti-FAM haven. We’re two (curvy! imagine that!) chicks on a mission.
Becky: A mission from God. Nah, I’m kidding, we’re on a mission to inject reason into the hordes of people who soak up every single word of Kate Harding and her renegade band of so-called Shapelings. Our goal is simple: we want to debunk the armchair doctors who claim that diets are bad for you (and cause anorexia) and that fast food is really okay so long as you’re eating it for the right reasons. In fact, there’s a myth floating around now that any food is okay for you if you’re eating it for the right reasons. Radioactive muffins? Munch away, dearies, it won’t hurt you as long as you believe it won’t. And while you’re at it you might want to climb up on your roof and think happy thoughts because you can fly!
If you’re a regular of my other site Internet Police then you’ll be familiar with the format of these posts. The posts here will follow the same format, only Sarai isn’t the other co-host. Rest assured that this doesn’t mean the death of IP, it’ll get updated eventually (it always does), but that’s a tale for another post on a different site. Oh and this blog is powered by Wordpress because I’m too lazy to install Textpattern and convert themes over to it, at least for the time being (beware Alex, dearie).
Alex: Let’s start off by presenting a general outline of what we’re NOT (this is being done solely to cut down the amount of hatemail sure to end up in Becky’s mailbox come tomorrow):
a) supportive of eating disorders
b) haters of fat people
c) racist, homophobic, xenophobic, ultraconservative (etc, etc…)
Becky: Eating disorders are serious diseases and those who suffer from them have our deepest sympathies. Nay, we simply object to people who believe that their way of thinking is absolutely, positively right and that anyone who disagrees is a douchehound (and likely to get their comments deleted because freedom of speech, like acceptance, only applies to a select few people). We believe that acceptance is for everyone and that there is a line between acceptance and personal taste.
Alex: We also object to pseudoscientific “studies” about the inherent “harm” of sticking to a balanced, nutritious diet and getting plenty of exercise.
Becky: Unlike some people, who shall, for the time being, remain nameless, we have actually pulled out our dictionaries and looked up the definition of diet and we’ve decided that diets do in fact work. The diets that we hope FAM activists are referring to shall probably be referred to as fad diets or holy crap is that for reals!?
Alex: We also object to being told what kind of body types we should find attractive, being forced to sit uncomfortably through an expensive flight and being accused of intolerance, prejudice and hate… When really, everything we’re saying isn’t anything more than a list of valid arguments which, it might shock you to discover, are actually wholly supported by this little thing called science.
Becky: Like I said, acceptance to a point. Respect and common decency are something that everyone should have, but beyond that no one has the right to demand anything else like attraction and super special treatment because of one thing.
Alex: We do not support discrimination, hate or inequality, the latter being the reason for our objection to preferential treatment handed out to “people of size” (you hear that, Becky? You & I aren’t “people of size”, ergo, you & I must lack a size. Next time I go shopping, I’ll just ask for those pants in “no size, please”).
Becky: Oh right, the fact that I’m moderately overweight and have breasts the size of my head (my bras double as hats) is completely meaningless. I am not a woman of size, oh woe is me. Shall we go eat some Twinkies and become people of size, or does that only apply if your “genetic set point” is about 300lbs? Speaking of which, if you aren’t 300lbs (and getting larger by the day) then apparently you’re not a “real woman”. Heaven forbid if you’re one of those skinny model types with a boyish figure (then I would assume you’re either a man or alien, they haven’t said which yet).
Keep in mind that “real” only applies if you’re female, if you’re a man then you are not “real” if you are fat. A man is a man is a man no matter what his weight. And men of size beware, the FAM has become more and more geared towards women of size, there’s no room left for today’s average fat man. In fact, a lot of FAM activists see landing a thin man as some sort of victory, for all that preaching about body acceptance they sure aren’t very accepting of people who they don’t find attractive. Oh no, they just demand that everyone else find them attractive and if you don’t, well, you’re an intolerant, prejudiced bigot. Sorry.
Alex: We also support self-love and self-respect, both of which imply that nobody should be chastised if they’ve (GASP) lost weight and (GASP) feel better about themselves.
Becky: Also if you’ve gained a few pounds then it’s no ones business but your own. Their body, their life, their business (and not yours). That’s one of the very few areas where we agree with FAM activists. What we want to talk about here are the former members of the fringe who are now at the forefront of the Fat Acceptance Movement. They enjoy talking about things like “fit and fat” and genetic set points, things that have been disproven by science time and time again (a fact they choose to ignore). They claim to advocate a healthy thing where you eat food and stuff (a diet?) and exercise, but when someone does eat healthy foods and exercises on a regular basis and just so happens to lose weight, all hell breaks loose. Turns out acceptance only applies to you if you’re fat. Sorry, of size.
Alex: The same thing happens when anyone decides to speak up in support of doctors who advocate for a healthy lifestyle, or when people (albeit sometimes sheepishly) admit that they can’t help who they’re attracted to, and the people they’re attracted to just so happen to have the body of Zinedine Zidane (brb, daydreaming…).
To be completely honest, all of this would’ve stayed well within the realm of basic lulz over instant messenger had the FAM not stepped up its game to educate us on who we should find attractive, how we should act in public and what issues we should feel strongly about in the presidential race (fat rights, apparently). Who cares about al-Qaeda, the economy, gay marriage, Israel, natural disaster management and humanitarian crises?
Becky: No matter what they say about not trying to influence the general public into believing that it’s not okay to base attraction on weight (but it’s perfectly acceptable to base attraction on gender) because they’re actually really good people. I’m sure there are some very good people out there, but I’m not attracted to them and I don’t have to be and I won’t be made to feel as though I’m intolerant because of it. Am I intolerant because I wouldn’t date a woman? Am I intolerant because I won’t date someone whose religious views differ greatly from my own (think member of the WBC)? Apparently I am because the underlying message of the FAM is that you must find them attractive.
And apparently they have it far worse than women, black people, atheists and gays have ever had it (in the entire course of human history). Yes that’s right, discrimination everywhere and they’re getting the brunt of it. One has to wonder why the media hasn’t picked up on it yet, after all most of North America is severely overweight by now, they’re the majority. But of course, the media is being silenced by the Evil Worldwide Association of Physicians and, of course, the drug companies. All in an effort to make people feel bad about their bodies.
Alex: So yeah, as you can probably tell, we don’t take kindly to being told what we should THINK - a little too Orwellian for our tastes, you see.
Becky: Think, be attracted to, accept… I don’t care for any of it, really.
Alex: In that same vein, we’d like to open up the floor to comments of all kinds - please, if you have thoughts on this (any kind of thoughts, really, we’re not Kate Harding), share away.
Becky: If everyone agreed with us then it wouldn’t be as fun! Rest assured, unless your comments are disturbing or spammy they won’t be deleted.
16 Responses for "Shaping Reason, One Post At A Time"
I’m all for people being comfortable with a bit of extra weight, but I’m not for unhealthiness (although I am a bit unhealthy myself). I’m 5ft3 and about 140lbs and I dislike every second of it. I know I have to suck up the laziness and get in shape! I can’t imagine anyone being satisfied with being overweight.
Cool idea for a blog, guys!
I completly agree with your general idea. I only know that when I was in high school, I was overweight yet not obese and people would make fun of me. When I was 16, people stop making fun of me (they mature I suppose) and suprise! I start having motivation to lose weight.
So I think you should make sure you don’t become a source of arguments to bully overweight people. And I suppose it’s the principal thing that motivate that movement, the bullying. It’s an awful experience and is what kept me gaining weight. The dreaded cycle of hell. You’re sad, you eat. Fat make you sad, you eat more.
All in all, people should stop trying to convince themselves they live an healty lifestyle when they don’t. The only way you could justify a fat acceptance movement would be by thinking survival is not important therefore self destructive ways are ok!
Good luck with the website!
Veronique, we do not have any plans to target fat people (though I suppose FAM activists will try to make it look like we do), we just want to try and show other people how ludicrous the majority of the Fat Acceptance Movement really is. It’d be rather weird if I targeted fat people because I’m still fat! I’m 150lbs and I stand at about 5′3″ (I’ve lost 40lbs over the past year and a half).
Oh I know, I understood your post
I was just trying to find a reason to explain why there would be a fat acceptance movement and I thought bullying was the motivation even thought it became a movement that promote bieng fat… which lead me to the conclusion that promoting being fat is saying “survival is not important therefore self destructive ways are ok”
I thought if you say bullying fat people is not ok yet making fat people think they are healty is stupid, it would make it more friendly to people who might not understand your point.
Thanks for listing unfatblog.com and myfatspouse.com
Sorry I haven’t had any posts lately on unfatblog. The main reason is that FA hasn’t really been talking about fat acceptance as of late. How the heck can I argue with posts about knitting. I see that Aunt Fattie is stirring to life, so now I’ll have some solid material to work with.
As for myfatspouse.com, please be careful in recommending the site. Generally regulars refrain from “fatty bashing”, but, new comers are encouraged to vent about their situation and they sometimes go to extremes, which can be taken the wrong way by the un initiated.
I’m not fat, nor is my wife; however some of my best friends are and I don’t bash on them. I don’t hate fat people. I just hate a culture of denial and excuse making.
I’ll be putting your RSS feed up on unfatblog and myfatspouse soon.
I already love this blog so much. I can’t wait to see some actual posts. Not that this isn’t an actual post, but you know what I mean.
This sounds promising.
I have to agree with Aisling. I am all for fitness and health. I don’t see the smart thing about being fat and proud of it. Of course you have to accept yourself as you are, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have to work with ourselves and preserve our bodies and health. It’s not about fashion or which beauty standards society presses upon us, it’s about having quality in our lives and being healthy to be able to face what challenges life has for us.
Becky, I know that we really haven’t seen eye-to-eye ever, but I’ve learned something within the past year.
I’ve always been a big girl. But I was fricken miserable. I got bullied terribly when I was younger, and it was that vicious circle; depression=eat, eat=weight gain, weight gain=depression that landed me to pushing about 300 pounds. Which, of course made me absolutely miserable again. I wasn’t happy, and I don’t know anyone who would be happy to be 300 pounds, but I know that they’re out there.
I believe that one needs to be happy with the way they are. But when it comes to being that big and doing absolutely nothing about it, that’s an issue. There are legit reasons for being overweight (I have several), but it hasn’t stopped me from getting me closer to a healthy weight.
Within the past 2 years, I have lost over 60 pounds. The first few were slow, and got me very frustrated, but I kept trying. Whatever. I am proud of my weight loss, but I know that I have a ways to go (I’m still 70+ pounds overweight). I feel better about myself, especially when I put on clothes that were 2 sizes too small for me in the past. I’m actually thinking about taking up dancing because I refuse to get that big again. Not when diabetes and high blood pressure runs in the family.
Sadly, some people are like “hey, I’m 300-400 pounds, and I’m proud of it! I might have diabetes, high cholesterol, hypertension (etc), but I look sexy!”
I think this site’s a good idea, and I don’t mind checking it out in the future. Good luck.
You need lives.
Congratulations on the weight-loss, Nat! I’m glad to hear that you’re no longer tossing furniture around
I find that the more I lose, the better I feel and not just mentally, it’s more of a physical thing. I never thought that my weight really affected my energy levels, but now I’m finding out that it did.
Joan, I think we’re covered.
*floored* When gas is $4.09 a gallon in the US, how can these people find time to worry about being fat activists? Srsly, wtf Internets?
…it wouldn’t be that bad if they didn’t insist that they’re what EVERYONE should find attractive. Honesty, yeah, fat people get bullied, but there’s no reason to gang up and bully everyone else around, too.
And I just can’t believe their posts that contradict university studies. Yeah, sure, a “carrot and lemon peel” diet probably isn’t going to work, but a balanced diet consisting of, say, (even just a little) daily exercise, consuming more fruits and veggies when you can, and cutting down saturated/ trans fats isn’t something anyone should be scolded for. It’s not crazy, it’s just scientifically proven to extend your life.
My brain is still having trouble processing the fact that there are fat activists, let alone that there’s an IP-styled blog trying to knock some moderation into their extreme whatever-they-have-there.
You can’t believe how glad I am you guys (girls) are trying to give this “movement” some counterweight. No, really, a couple of days ago, I stumbled upon a so-called Fat Blog and I find it in three words: ignorant, absurd and egoistic. Why would anyone want to promote being fat?
Personally, I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a bit overweight, but when it gets to the point that you have a serious chance of getting heart diseases and diabetes, then I think it’s simply absurd to say: “Oh well, that isn’t going to happen to me. I’m fat, but I like it and I’m not going to do anything about it.” Simply when taking in consideration that not only you yourself, but your friends and family are going to suffer from it too.
I know that wanting to be skinny can cause problems too, such as depression, when you cannot lose the weight you’d like to loose, or even anorexia and such. So I do think it’s wonderful if people can accept themselves the way they are and love themselves the way they are, but that doesn’t mean that there’s never room for improvement. You can love yourself, even if you are overweight, but if the doctor tells you that you might get diabetes or such and you decide not to do something about it, then you don’t really love yourself that much after all.
So, really guys, this is a great idea. Someone has to stop those people putting ignorant and absurd thoughts into the minds of our younger ones (because especially teenagers and such suffer from being teased for being too fat, and they are easiy influenced), because we all know that serious overweight is just as dangerous as anorexia.
Thanks for the post
The Buddhists say “the Middle way”. I’m not a Buddhist but I tend to believe this. Thank you so much for your reasonable answer to what I believe is a swinging pendulum of emotion and anger centered around the human form.
There IS such a thing as being “too fat” to be healthy and there is such a thing as being “too skinny” to be healthy.
But there is no such thing as being too fat or too skinny to be human. Where there is politics and rage there should be common sense and compassion. I’m so dismayed about this.
When I first ran into the FA movement a few days ago I thought what I was seeing was a movement about acceptance of larger frames and smaller frames in balance. I have a wider bone structure.. what is a healthy “size” for me may not be healthy for the next person and by healthy I mean balanced and sustained by a reasonable diet and moderate exercise.
We do need to challenge the unrealistic expectations of pullpushing and the fashion industry.. but not like this. For them you will never be skinny enough because if you are you will stop buying their products.. for the FA movement you are discouraged from trying to lose weight because if you do then you arn’t supporting their politics and views.
Always be wary of people silencing your speech and censoring you because whenever they do it, it’s never because of your best interests but because of their agenda.
Sounds good!
Looking forward to more posts…
I have the notion from time to time to either turn my blog into the exact antithesis to the Shapely Prose(mocking it with a similar look and title), or to make a new one.
I usually conclude that I don’t have as much time as they do to put into it, so I wouldn’t do it justice.
I found you from “My Fat Spouse”, by the way.
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